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Quit Quietly now more than ever

by gone for good in

the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

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Anna Marina -

I am sorry for appearing to demean your interests in Biblical history. I too have spent many hours researching the same fascinating stories.

I was hoping to clarify to Sea Breeze that the real issue with religion is not the truthfulness of scripture or myriad doctrines derived from them.

The real issue and the Achilles' heel of damaging cults will be their disregard for the modern and just basic human rights of their own members and especially those who choose to be no longer so.

Modern courts care deeply about such issues and it is these issues which will bring to heel these greedy, hate-filled cults, not their theology or lack thereof.

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Quit Quietly now more than ever

by gone for good in

the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

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Phizzy-

Thanks for your comments.

Many who wish to free themselves of the JW religion still wish to exercise their legal right to associate with family and loved ones who are members.

Info Sekta made the case clear that to forbid the free association of and suppress the natural affections and protections of the nuclear family is a violation of basic Human Rights.

Justice and human rights are the issue - don't be sidetracked by cult-speak.

.Disassociation is an intentionally loaded term that should never be used in your freedom letter. Elders instantly conflate any use of the term with apostasy requiring nosy questions.

Apostasy is not a crime, but a basic human right, and never stray from the goal to maintain association with loved ones as a free person yourself.

The letter pre-empts the elders' ecclesiastic authority. They cannot convene a judicial committee because you are not a member. You have a document proving that defining point.

Your letter should also rescind any documents you may have signed allowing the collection and use of personal information (remember foolishly signing that?) and specifically mention that to have your name or religious status read or published by any congregation will be pursued legally a violation of your personal privacy.

As Phizzys friend the elder said "So there was nothing we could do."

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Quit Quietly now more than ever

by gone for good in

the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

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Sea Breeze -

Thank you for agreeing "..that denying religious freedom will lead to their undoing."

Exercising rights by personal application moves a right from a mere possibility to the harsh reality of a legal contest.

This is where litigious fundamentalist religions will lose to the free will of "dropouts" as the Swiss Court refers to leavers.

A few small victories in local courts against local congregations and the WT goose will be cooked by precedent, and the floodgates will be opened.

This is exactly the reason that you will never hear the term "religious freedom" at a kingdom hall, mosque, LDS temple etc.

BTW, all religions are grounded in deception with the legal freedom granted for people to willfully subject themselves to whatever brand of nonsense they wish to fund or give ecclesiastical authority to.

No court cares about the truthfulness of what you choose to believe or not believe.

Folks like Anna Marina can waste their entire lives researching dates and events related to Nebuchadnezzar etc. but no court will ever care. Nor does the WT care as long as the tax-free donations keep coming.

Religion is the worlds oldest and most lucrative scam

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Quit Quietly now more than ever

by gone for good in

the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

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The amazing exoneration of Info Sekta in Swiss Court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.

NEVER write a letter of disassociation. - no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders

Make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the JW religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the JW kind). This document is your proof of having exercised your right to freedom of religion - a right guaranteed you by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights - Article 18.

As of the date on your document, you are free - it's that simple - all that baptism/ dedication/ service claptrap - gone!

You hold the winning card as the date on that document disqualifies you from judicial action since you are no longer a member and willing membership is a prerequisite to a life of JW abuse and manipulation.

Want to make a JW squirm? - ask them what they teach about freedom of religion. As the swiss Court judgment confirms JWs simply do not promote nor practice religious freedom.

I believe this will become the issue that undoes them - a modern legal/ethical concept that their primitive theocracy cannot accommodate

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Fading with Confidence

by gone for good in

abandoning a damaging cult is not a crime, in fact it might be viewed as a moral imperative given the levels of abuse awaiting those surrendering to its teachings and worse –its "ecclesiastic authority".. it has always seemed counter productive to inform potential enemies when your life´s goals now conflict with their rigid agendas.

disassociation letters and manifestos may be cathartic in the writing, but the outcome is a 100% certainty because of the inflexibility and lack of caring by the very group it is delivered to.. .

"fading" from under "high control" seems an oxymoronic risk at best, and currently faders walk on eggshells and look over their shoulders for years during and after the attempt - fearful that the price of their freedom will be the destruction of their friendships and family ties.. perhaps a peculiar additional preparation to a fade can reverse the balance of power – and high control cults are all about power.. .. bear in mind: - .

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Freddo-

They can't disfellowship a non- member as they only maintain ecclesiastic authority with voluntary consent from their membership.

By filing the date at which time you ceased membership, their hands are tied. They can't subject a non-member to a judicial hearing and they would violate your privacy rights by ever announcing your name and religious affiliation/status from their platform.

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The large shield of blind[ing] faith

by waton in

2 thoughts on yesterday's jan 19.

2020 wt study.

no 46 wt nov 2019.. the shield of faith, that jws are told to hide behind is so large, page 19, that if held comfortably would require it to have rear view mirrors, (to see 1975).

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An "...expectation of things hoped for.." can hardly be "assured" given that everyone's knowledge, understanding, hopes and experiences (past and future) are unique to each person.

For legalistic reasons (example the baptism of minors) a "profession of faith" is demanded as actual faith is an unquantifiable enigma. Yet the mere profession of such can legally chain a person to a hateful cult for life.

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Animals as vegetarians thread continued

by Crazyguy2 in

i found out just last night that back in 2015 scientists discovered a piece of amber estimated to be over 15 million years old.

inside the amber was a flea, very similar to the size and kind that attack and eat our blood today.

whats even more astonishing is in the mouth they found bacteria that has the same make up as bubonic plague.

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Crazyguy -

That's a fascinating bit of science.

Accuracy of the 15 million year time lapse is irrelevant, as the bible internally dates it's own "creation" story to only about 6000 years ago and the flood myth to only about 4500 years.

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3/2020 WT Baptism Rigmarole

by neat blue dog in

remember those pesky scriptures about 'put faith in jesus and you will be saved' & 'getting baptized without delay'?

well, in this time of the end ™ we know better, and the latest march 2020 study edition wt sums it all up:.

before you can get baptized, there are a few other things you need to do.

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They are admitting that just a childish "...basic bible teachings.." is enough to qualify one to step on the WT trap of baptism.

Continued study will soon enough reveal the sickening extent of cult controls after you have already ensnared yourselves in the legalities of WT dedication.

Step right up...Push those children and delusional newbies toward the baptism pool... right this way...to a lifetime of abuse and manipulation......

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AUSTRALIA | Jehovah’s Witnesses form new religious corporations

by jwleaks in

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the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses have approved the formation of an additional management corporation for jehovah’s witnesses in australia and the formation of a new audio visual production company.. on 11 november 2019 a new jehovah’s witnesses company, “kingdom support services (australasia) limited” (kssa), was registered in australia to “promote throughout australasia the advancement of the christian religion as understood and taught by the ecclesiastical governing body” and to “co-operate with or provide financial assistance to persons having similar aims and purposes and to other charitable organizations having similar aims and purposes within australasia or elsewhere”.. the structure and charitable purpose of kssa allows it to provide benevolent disaster relief (‘financial assistance’) to victims of the current bushfires in australia, albeit limited exclusively to “jehovah’s witnesses [who] practice their religion under the spiritual direction of the governing body”.

as of january 2020, the jehovah’s witnesses branch committee in australia, under the direction of the governing body, have formed two disaster relief committees to provide spiritual and material help to bushfire victims in australia that meet the religion’s criteria.. two days earlier, on 8 november 2019 another jehovah’s witnesses company, “avs productions (australasia) limited” (avspa), was registered in australia to “record, produce, publish, and distribute or dispose by way of gift music, photographs, film, animation, and other intellectual property of a religious or charitable nature”.. both new jehovah’s witnesses corporations have registered with the australian charities and not-for-profit commission (acnc) as religious charities.. despite the audio visual and animation production objects of avspa this new corporation also claims to “support members of the worldwide order of special full-time servants of jehovah’s witnesses”.. these two new jehovah’s witnesses companies join the new and controversial management corporation, christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses (australasia) limited (ccjwa), which was formed on 12 april 2019 to administer congregations, congregation charities, and bodies of elders.

and also to “support members of the worldwide order of special full-time servants of jehovah’s witnesses”.. ccjwa, despite being registered as a not-for-profit corporation with the australian securities and investments commission (asic), is yet to be approved as a charity by the acnc.

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Billion$ and billion$ of In$urance dollar$ are about to be circulating in Oz due to the fires.

These crooks are "lawyering up" their scheme to "help" disaster victims by converting their Insurance claim cheques directly into "voluntary" tax-free charitable "donations" which will disappear directly to tax-free offshore "invisibility".

To "..meet the religions criteria." be fully insured, sign the non-disclosure and give it ALL up for the cult.

The brand new "..ecclesiastical Governing Body" is truly a vomit-inducing thought.

The real governing body is the dishonest, greedy, legalistic GB that's disgraced themselves for 140 years.

They will be in a sweat to get themselves qualified to receive free emergency goods which they will then be seen distributing during self serving photo-ops.

Everyone get your cheques and pens ready now..

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Amber Scorah on cults

by dozy in

amber gives a superb talk here.

i couldn't help but contrast her delivery - fluent , articulate , without any notes - not even a rostrum or podium to hide behind - with the numerous talks and items i heard when i was a jw.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7wfpaqcqcw.

i am reading her book " leaving the witness " just now - it is superb - i just can't put it down.

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Many years ago I read an article in The Believer (an online magazine) about a JW girl who lost her religion as a missionary in China - does anyone know if that superb article was written by this young lady?